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Fanny Biddlecombe

 

Fanny Biddlecombe

Fanny Biddlecomde married William Broomfield, my 2nd great-grandfather on 8 Mar 1854 at St John's Church, Marchwood, Hampshire, England. The Church of St John the Apostle is a Grade II Listed Building, built in 1847, so a relatively new church at the date of their wedding. The church is shown on the Ordnance Survey 25 inch Map Revised: 1895, Published: 1897, then predominantly surrounded by farms and the associated fields. Parish: Marchwood: St John.

Part of the Tithe Map of the Parish of Eling shows Marchwood. A similar view, but rotated N-S, can be seen on the OS 6 inch Map.

Marchwood Tithe Map Plot 4818 is described in the Tithe Apportionment Register as Tenements and Gardens, with the adjacent 4819 being Yard and Buildings. Nearby arable fields, Plot 4817 is Travells Lower Ground, Plot 4820 Marchwood Field, Plot 4821 Travells Upper Ground. These plots, together with many others in the area are occupied by Arnold White with the Landowner being recorded as Sir John Barker Mill Baronet. The same as the principle landowner in the Parish of Millbrook. The date of the map was recorded as 12th June 1843. The field sizes and associated Tithe Apportionment are; 

Description of Land Tavells Lower Ground Marchwood Field Tavells Upper Ground Total holdings of Arnold White with landloard Sir John
Quantities In Statute Measure
A.R.P
8,2,3 7,3,22 5,0,14 267,1,25
Plot 4817 4820 4821 (above 4817)  
 Payable to Vicar £sd  £0 9s 6d  £0 10s 6d  £0 6s 0d £17 5s 0d
Payable to Lady  £2 2s 6d  £2 6s 0d  £1 7s 0d £53 0s 0d (£73,400.00 - 2019)

 Plot 4844 is described as Farm House and offices, and could be his residential home. Bury Farm on the OS maps. 

The record for an adjacent plot on the Tithe map, but no longer on the OS maps;

Landowner Lady Selina Mill
Occupier Lady Selina Mill
Parish Eling
County Hampshire
Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Mansion and Offices
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,1,22
Plot 4847

Bury Farm House is a listed building, but I am not sure if that is plot 4844 or 4847.

Plots 4818 and 4819 combined are probably shown on the OS maps as Travel's Farm and the name Travel's Lane probably derives from the farm and nearby field names. Losing an l and gaining an apostrophe in the process, before reverting back in the current maps.

In the 1911 Census Fanny Broomfield, aged 76, a widow is living with her son Alfred Broomfield, 44 and his wife Kate, at Travells Farm, Marchwood. Fanny, in the infirmity column is recorded as have Cancer 2 years ago, 1909. Also listed is Sidney Parker, 19, single, Son in Law. The Census records that no children have been born to Kate in the marriage to Alfred. It therefore follows that Sidney, is a Son in Law from a previous marriage, with surname Parker. Kate is shown as being 44 and 7 years in current marriage, making her about 

 Alfred is a Labourer at H.M. Magazine. By reference to the OS maps and the Tithe Map, the Magazine is at the end of Magazine Lane, Marchwood. Albeit the Tithe Map is 1843, and the Census is 1911, it appears to be the same place.

The Magazines Marchwood Tithe Map

 

The tithe map shown is from The Genealogist and the white popup on the left is Plot 4818, Travel's Farm, with the Magazines clearly shown on the shoreline on the right.

On the OS maps of the time, only the  housing along the lane is shown, not the Magazines or Blast Wall. Anecdotally, for a very long time, until relatively recently, anything military or secret was left off of OS maps as white space. Thereby avoiding passing intelligence on to the enemy, regarding location and layout. The Magazine was a Royal Naval Armaments Depot and therefore fell into that category of white space.

The Magazine is now developed as housing with part occupied by the Marchwood Yacht Club. One of the roads in the development is Ordnance Way, a nod to its history.

An extract from Historic England Research Reports. Download the whole of the report here.

Marchwood Gunpowder Magazines were built at the end of the Napoleonic Wars by the Board of Ordnance. The first phase, consisting of three magazines, a barracks and related buildings, was completed in 1816. Each magazine could hold almost 7,000 barrels of gunpowder. The site on the west shore of Southampton Water was chosen for its remoteness, its security and its proximity to Portsmouth. The magazines consisted of ventilated brick walls and roofs of slate and tile: they did not follow the conventional design of magazines, which had heavy vaulted roofs of brick which rendered them bombproof. Only one magazine, several perimeter walls and a number of depot buildings remain from this phase.

The Magazines declined in use until the outbreak of the Crimean War. A second phase of magazine construction took place in the mid-1850s, which added an extra four magazines to the existing three. One of these survives almost intact. Marchwood thus became the largest gunpowder storage depot in the country.

With the decline of gunpowder, Marchwood came to be used for the storage of small calibre ammunition. A bombing raid in 1940 led to the destruction of five of the seven magazines. These were rebuilt in 1941-2. The depot finally closed in 1961, when the more recent magazines were demolished. A scheme to widen Southampton Water, which would have led to the loss of many of the structures, was averted. Several buildings were scheduled in 1968. The site was sold off by the Ministry of Defence in the mid-1980s, by which most of the surviving buildings were in poor condition.

The depot is of considerable interest as a rare purpose-built gunpowder storage facility. The layout of the depot and the construction of the only partly-surviving magazine were both iimovatory in their day. Marchwood is an  important site as a reminder of Hampshire's contribution to the nation's defences.

As an aside, another relative worked in Gunpowder Magazines, but in Chattenden and Lodge Hill Military Camps, Upnor, Kent.

Back to the Tithe Map;

Landowner Margaret Saunders
Occupier John Biddlecombe
Parish Eling
County Hampshire
Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land House and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,1,12
Plot 4577

 This John Bibblecome is the same one listed near to Marchwood Farm in the 1841 Census. Perhaps Marchwood Farm is Marchwoodgreen Farm on the OS Maps. Plot 4577 is on Main Road, Marchwood, near the Church, on the opposite side of the road.

The family on the 1841 Census are:

Name
Age
Estimated Birth Year
Gender Birth County Birth Country Location Not on Census / assumed relationship
Biddlecome
50
1791
Male
Hampshire
England
Parish of Eling, Tything of Marchwood, Marchwood Head
Elizabeth Biddlecome
40
1801
Female
 Hampshire England Parish of Eling, Tything of Marchwood, Marchwood Wife
Henry Biddlecome
11
1830
Male
 Hampshire England  Parish of Eling, Tything of Marchwood, Marchwood Son
Charles Biddlecome
 8
1833
Male
 Hampshire England  Parish of Eling, Tything of Marchwood, Marchwood Son
Fanny Biddlecome
6
1835
Female
Hampshire England  Parish of Eling, Tything of Marchwood, Marchwood Daughter
Maria Biddlecome
 4
1837
Female
 Hampshire England  Parish of Eling, Tything of Marchwood, Marchwood Daughter
William Biddlecome
1
1840
Male
 Hampshire England  Parish of Eling, Tything of Marchwood, Marchwood Son
Elizabeth Oliver
70
1771
Female
 Hampshire England  Parish of Eling, Tything of Marchwood, Marchwood Mother in Law
               
               

  

 Elizabeth Oliver (nee Jeram) is listed on both 1841 and 1851 Census, and on the latter descrided as a Pauper, widow of Agriculture Labourer, and as being deaf. Her birth county on both is Hampshire.

 

Searching The Genealogist for surname Biddlecombe in the Parish of Eling led to an extraordinary number of results.

Landowner Occupier  Location Lat & Long (click for link to NLS OS Map)  Census - 6 Jun 1841

Name: Stephen Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Landowner... Plan Number: 324...

Name: Stephen Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 324

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,2,14
Main Road, Houndsdown, Totton 50.904670,-1.500831

Stephen Bittlerady on Ancestry - Transcription error

District 13b Page 14

Age 50

Name: Leonard Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Landowner... Plan Number: 3488...

Name: Leonard Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 3488

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,1,35
1 Colbury Cottages, Deerleap Lane, Ashurst 50.897687,-1.505744  
Name: Robert Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Landowner... Plan Number: 3487...

Name: Robert Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 3487

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,0,18
3 Colbury Cottages, Deerleap Lane, Ashurst 50.897382,-1.505777  
Name: Daniel Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Landowner... Plan Number: 3436...

Name: Daniel Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 3436

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,2,31
 Deerleap Lane, Ashurst 50.889485,-1.509049  
Name: Thomas Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Landowner... Plan Number: 370...

Name: Thomas Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 370

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,0,15
 Knellers Lane, Ashurst  50.903323,-1.506399  
Name: Edward Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Landowner... Plan Number: 4455...

Name: Edward Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 4455

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,0,21
Beacon Hill, Twiggs Lane,
Marchwood
50.882331,-1.454300

District 10, Page 8

Age 70

Name: James Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Landowner... Plan Number: 3402...

Name: James Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 3402

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,2,26
 Lyndhurst Road / Farm Lane, Ashurst 50.893457,-1.518866  
Name: James Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Landowner... Plan Number: 4456...

Name: James Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 4456

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,0,28
Beacon Hill, Twiggs Lane,
Marchwood
 50.882595,-1.454107

District 10, Page 8

Age 40

         
 Frederick Charles Wilson Esquire

Name: Isaac Biddlecombe & and Another
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 328

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Tenements and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,1,27
Chapel Lane, Ashurst Bridge / Houndsdown  50.907329,-1.503998

 District 13b Page 18

Age 40

 Philip Andrews

Name: During Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 4232

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land The Orchard
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,1,36
     
 Philip Andrews

Name: During Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 4233

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land House and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,0,38
 Hag's Lane / Arters Lawn, Marchwood  50.877291,-1.471125

 Duran / Durin

District 9a Page 5

Age 52

 Sir John Barker Mill Baronet

Name: Joseph Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 3506

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Old Orchard
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,0,24
     
 Sir John Barker Mill Baronet

Name: Joseph Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 3507

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,1,21
 Pound Lane, Houndsdown  50.898137,-1.498017  
 Margaret Saunders

Name: John Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 4577

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land House and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,1,12
 Main Road, Marchwood  50.889654,-1.453165

 District 10a, Page 32

Tithing of Marchwood

Age 50

 Aaron Taylor

Name: George Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 3868

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,0,32
Deerleap Lane, Long Down, Marchwood  50.881336,-1.490620  
 George Bundy

Name: William Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 3438

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,1,22
 Deerleap Lane, Ashurst 50.888016,-1.506262  
 George Bundy

Name: William Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 3440

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Home Plot
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,2,8
     
 George Bundy

Name: William Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 3439

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Potatoe Plot
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,1,21
     
 William Sloane Stanley Esquire

Name: William Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 1900

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Garden Plot
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,0,10
     
 William Sloane Stanley Esquire

Name: William Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 1899

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Cottage and Garden
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,1,11
 Copythorne Common, Cadnam  50.936051,-1.565330  
 William Sloane Stanley Esquire

Name: William Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 1904

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Meadow Plot
Quantities In Statute Measure 0,0,38
     
 William Sloane Stanley Esquire

Name: William Biddlecombe
Parish: Eling... County: Hampshire... Type: Occupier... Plan Number: 1905

Original Date 12th June 1843
Description of Land Heath Plot
Quantities In Statute Measure 1,0,10
     

 

I have tried to link the Bibblecombe people from the Tithe Apportionment listed above to their respective 1841 Census entry, mainly, in addition to their name, by the location. The Tithe Map gives an accurate location, generally much more so than the enumerators recording. Sometimes it is a case of matching a nearby prominent house with the person's name on both the Tithe Map and the Census and then step along the route looking for other similarities, then using proximity to confirm the Census entry to that of the Title Apportionment.  The Tithe Apportionment only has two names associated with a plot, the landowner, and the occupier. By observation of the records, occupier is unlikely to be exclusively the occupier of a particular dwelling in the way the census records it, or how we may interpret it today. Occasionally the Tithe records state that an occupier has several dwelling, sometimes with different Landowners, which suggests that 'Occupier' should perhaps be interpreted as 'Primary Leaseholder'. Think of a farmer, renting his farm from the local squire. The farm has many dwellings occupied by the families of the farmers agricultural labourers and other workers. They appear to be occupied by the farmer, from the Tithe Map, not the Agg Lab. Conversely, the Census records the Agg Lab and not the Farmer. Hence numerous inconsistencies, on the path between matching names and our person of interest.

Once the Tithe Apportionment person has been identified in the Census, his family are also located at Tithe Map accuracy. For some static families that place is from birth to death.

Another source of location information is from Knightsroots, a website that includes Parish Records, and in our case Baptisms in the Parish of Eling. Other websites have baptism records, but generally with less transcribed information. The additional information is useful. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edward Nash

Edward Nash late 1700 to early 1800

This is not a story about a single person but about many people called Edward Nash.

The objective is to try and get enough information to definitively resolve which one is my 3x Great Grandfather

Normally one could start with marriage or birth certificates. This time let us start with the last will and testament of Edward Nash Esquire of 6 George Street, Hanover Square, London. The will was written as he was going on a journey, which presumably he was concerned about. It was signed on 31st March 1817.  Edward Nash was evidently a wealthy man with two bequeaths of one thousand pounds, together with all the other property and effects. In 2019, the relative value of £1,000 0s 0d from 1817 ranges from £73,760.00 to £5,008,000.00 depending on method of calculation.

John James Brookman

 

John James Brookman

BIRTH Abt. 1807 or 1810 • Southampton, Hampshire, England
DEATH 12 December 1879 • Southampton, Hampshire, England

3rd Great Grandfather, according to my Ancestry Tree. He is also a common ancestor with two DNA matches.

via GIPHY

 

John James was baptised on 21 Oct 1810 at All Saints Church, Southampton, with his parents recorded as William Brookman and Sarah Brookman.

Trace the family with the ten year Census

The Census is a good place to start building up an image of a family. Over the decades you can see it expand and then contract as the children leave home. The groups of people and the additional information about them, such as occupation and place of birth can help identify families with greater confidence than by names and ages alone. This additional information can help with changes of spelling and of location, resolving reluctance. Sometimes place of birth appears to change, but it is often in the same area, just a different granularity. It is also helpful to remember that until the 1911 Census, it is all in the hand of the enumerator. What he heard, and what he wrote down, and some were more conciencipus than others. Particularly, with addresses. Some just the area, others each household with a specific address, sometime still identifiable today. Then there is the legibility of the writing and the transcribers skill. It is still a good place to start.

John Pomeroy Gilbert

John Pomeroy Gilbert

On Friday (insert date) I received an email from Findmypast. Nothing unusual in that, one comes most Fridays as I have a subscription with Findmypast, together with a number of other sites, to help fuel my Family History hobby (obsession). I could have used Genealogy but I don't think I do enough validation to raise it into that category. Back to the email, in question. One of the new sets of records on Findmypast it proclaimed was for the 'Southern Times and Dorset County Herald'. Part of my close family migrated from there, so it was worth a quick search on Surname Pomeroy. There was one result at the time, an article in the newspaper dated 31 May 1876. Now there are more results but at the time, only the one.

The article was about the collapse of the West of England and South Wales District Bank.

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Tilley family migration

 

The Tilley's of the New Forest

Ten generations ago, John Tilley was born in or nearby the small hamlet of Sopley, Hampshire, England, and the year was 1665.

This was not the John Tilley who was baptised on 19 December 1571 at Henlow, Bedfordshire, England, the son of Robert and Elizabeth Tilley. Who latter married Joan Rogers nee Hurst, on 20 September 1596 at Henlow, Bedfordshire, England, the Daughter of William and Rose Hurst and Widow of Thomas Rogers. This John Tilley sailed on the Mayflower and died sometime during the first winter at Plymouth, likely between January and March 1621. Nor was it any of his offspring.

Tilley was a relatively common name with a wide dispersion across England as shown on this Ancestry page.

Sopley is an ancient settlement going back to before the Doomsday book and is described in this article. It is on the edge of the New Forest. The nearby area is sometimes in Hampshire and sometimes in Dorset depending on various boundary changes. Most of the employment in the area would have been engaged in either rural activities or supporting the large number of family estates in the area. Sopley Park and Winkton House being a couple of the closest. 

A couple of centuries later and Sopley is still a rural community as seen on this 1872 Ordnance Survey Map. More information on Sopley can be found on Vision of Britain and British History Online. Sopley was in the Christchurch Hundred from this 1832 Boundary Map. Another useful Boundary Map updated up to 11/12/1899 is found here, zoom in to find Christchurch, and then Sopley. From the  Vision of Britain Through Time analysis 70% of Sopley families are  engaged in Agriculture from the 1831 Census data.

Leventhal Bros, Sydney

Leventhal Bros

Estate Agents of 114 Pitt Street, Sydney, New South Wales

This is the story so far of Morris and Harold Leventhal. Russian Jews who migrated from Russia to America, and then to Australia. It is partly their story but also the story of my exploration of the records to get to here.