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One of the Ancestry hints for Charlotte is for the tree of Deanna Hawke. According to Ancestry Deanna and I are not a DNA match. However, Deanna has included a number of GEDmatch person codes. On the first run at 7cm I don't get a match with XJ2353795 - Betty Bignell, however, if I change 7cm to 3cm I get the following match;

 

• Largest segment = 5.7 cM
• Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 44cM (1.227 Pct)
• 12 shared segments found for this comparison.
• 430320 SNPs used for this comparison.
• 52.353 Pct SNPs are full identical

For MG4841725 - Deanna Hawke, also set to 3cm, but with no match at 7cm;

• Largest segment = 4.1 cM
• Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 27.7cM (0.774 Pct)
• 8 shared segments found for this comparison.
• 430323 SNPs used for this comparison.
• 52.31 Pct SNPs are full identical

For FM7300581 - Peter Hawke, also set to 3cm;

• Largest segment = 5.5 cM
• Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 47.7cM (1.329 Pct)
• 13 shared segments found for this comparison.
• 420850 SNPs used for this comparison.
• 52.449 Pct SNPs are full identical

For T643327 - Gail Tyler, also set to 3cm;

• Largest segment = 5 cM
• Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 51.1cM (1.426 Pct)
• 14 shared segments found for this comparison.
• 417591 SNPs used for this comparison.
• 52.404 Pct SNPs are full identical

For XN2590913 - Julie W, also set to 3cm;

• Largest segment = 4.7 cM
• Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 43.1cM (1.201 Pct)
• 12 shared segments found for this comparison.
• 419508 SNPs used for this comparison.
• 52.344 Pct SNPs are full identical

For LJ2029152 - Kyle Hek, also set to 3cm;

• Largest segment = 4.3 cM
• Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 42.5cM (1.185 Pct)
• 12 shared segments found for this comparison.
• 524510 SNPs used for this comparison.
• 52.775 Pct SNPs are full identical

For TZ1642588 - Paul Braybrooke, also set to 3cm;

• Largest segment = 4.7 cM
• Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 21.4cM (0.597 Pct)
• 6 shared segments found for this comparison.
• 524889 SNPs used for this comparison.
• 52.843 Pct SNPs are full identical

That is a full match for the GEDmatch codes that Deanna provided, albeit at between 4-5cm, which adds to the veracity of the people in the trees being related. However, as it is less than 7cm it cannot be interpreted as a DNA match.

This is something of an aside, an addition to the paper trail starting down the Charlotte Bignell branch.

Charlotte's first marriage.

 

James Booth

1865–

 

 

 

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Charlotte's second marriage.

 

John Page

1838–1925

 

 

 

 

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Charlotte's second marriage children.

 

Edwin Page

1878–1915

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Ancestry Synopsis at start.

William Bignell was born in 1816 in Bishops Sutton, Hampshire. He married Mary Ann Butcher on 23 January 1841 in his hometown. They had ten children in 18 years. He died in January 1885 in Alresford at the age of 69.

Baptism

 

Marriage

 

Census and Voting Registers

 

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Children

Hannah Butcher nee Pitters and Isaac Butcher children's Baptism Records.

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Work and locations

 

Death

 

Conclusion

Key data about Elizabeth Eldridge and her family.

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Tree

Family Tree for xx

			his father	his mother		her farther	her mother
				him		her
child 1	child 2	child 3	child 4	child 5		child 6	child 7	child 8	child 9	child 10
				next ancestor		or next ancestor
child 1	child 2	child 3	child 4	child 5		child 6	child 7	child 8	child 9	child 10

 

 

 

 

1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841

The census on two pages, but we need to zoom in for the data we want.

 

Living in the Parish of Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire, William Bignell, perhaps sometimes transcribed as Bignett, aged 25. An Agricultural Labourer, born in the same county.

Also, Mary Bignell, aged 15, with her new born son, Stephen, aged 2 months, both born in the same county.

Estimated year of birth, 1816, 1826, and April 1841, respectively.

Before we talk about Mary Bignell being 15 and already being married and having a son, lets look at the family living next door, circled in yellow. Headed by Isaac Butcher, with presumably two children Sarah aged 14, and David aged 10.

It does appear that Isaac Butcher was Mary's father and she was present at his death according to his Death Certificate.

So really a case of marrying the girl next door for William Bignell, albeit, in perhaps questionable circumstances.

 

 

 

1851 Census Sunday 30th March 1851

An extract for the 1851 Census in the Parish of Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire.

William Bignell was head of the household, aged 35 and married. He was a labourer, which may have been agricultural. His estimated year of birth was 1816.

The whole family are recorded as having been born in Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire. None of the family are recorded as being blind, or deaf-and-dumb, the last column.

His wife is recorded as Mary Bignell, aged 29, Her estimated year of birth was 1822.

The children are;

• Stephen Bignell, son, aged 9, est. birth 1842
• Harry Bignell, son aged 8, est. birth 1843
• Charlotte Bignell, daughter, aged 7, est. birth 1844
• Sarah Bignell, daughter, aged 5, est. birth 1846
• Mary Ann Bignell, daughter, aged 2, est. birth 1849.

There are some years without children in that list, which could be infant mortality, or none born in the intervening years.

The family lived in North Side, Bishop's Sutton, near A

I wonder if North Side later became North Street? No, there are entries in the records for both. North Side is probably Northside Farm on Northside Lane.

 

A move away from the OS 25" Maps to show the relative position of Northside Farm to Bishop's Sutton and New Alresford. Also, using information on the 1861 Census, which starts at Rampscombe (Farm), [now Ranscombe Farm], circled in red, moves on to a number of properties in the Sutton Wood area, circled in green, before arriving at William Bignell and his family at Northside, circled in blue.

1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861

Place of residence, North Side [Farm], for the family of William Bignell, Head of the family and married, aged 45, and employed as an Agricultural Laboured.

Joined by his wife, Mary Bignell, married, aged 39, and her occupation in think maybe Seamstress.

The children are all noted as Scholars, all daughters, and fortunately, all recorded as unmarried.

• Mary Ann Bignell, aged 13.
• Olive Bignell, aged 7
• Ellen Bignell, aged 5.

The estimated years of birth are 1816, 1822, 1848, 1854, and 1856, respectively. Apart form children under the age of ten, I would expect a progression of ages to be ten years to match the Census interval. However, previously, Mary Ann Bignell, daughter, aged 2, est. birth 1849, but now aged 13 instead of 12. A variance but nothing significant. William Bignall is the predictable ten years older.

In 1841 Mary Bignell recorded an age of 15. For the 1851 Census, Mary Bignell, aged 29, Her estimated year of birth was 1822. Mary Bignall is the predictable ten years older, his time but has retained the four year jump between the 1841 and 1851 Census. Her estimated year of birth was either 1826 or 1822.

 

Location repeated and confirmed with additional detail in the 1861 Census

 

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A move away from the OS 25" Maps to show the relative position of Northside Farm to Bishop's Sutton and New Alresford. Also, using information on the 1861 Census, which starts at Rampscombe (Farm), [now Ranscombe Farm], circled in red, moves on to a number of properties in the Sutton Wood area, circled in green, before arriving at William Bignell and his family at Northside, circled in blue.

 

1871 Census Sunday 2nd April 1871

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Mary Ann Bignall

Not very sure about this entry. 1838 was before William and Mary were married, and Mary was only about 17 years of age. Also, so far I only have one source for this record, a tree on Ancestry. The same name is used later in the family and Mary Ann is not included in the 1841 Census, which suggests that she died before 1841.

Lets look at the 1841 census for the parish of St. Mary Kalendar, Winchester. Not a long way away from Bishop's Sutton but very different.

 This page is for St Peter Street and North Walls, which is in the centre of the City of Winchester, near the Cathedral.

 So the first thing to note is that these are two different families, one in City Centre the other in a rural community.  One is of independent means, which is wealthy, the other is employed as an Agricultural Labourer.

They are headed by a person named William Bignell, in both instances.

The City William Bignell shares his home with two twenty year old ladies, named Amelia and Mary Ann. Unfortunately the 1841 Census did not record the relationship between entries, so we can only speculate. That is until we look at the 1851 Census record.

 They are followed in the records by two children, a son William Bignell, aged 5, and a daughter Mary Ann, aged 3. Their respective estimated birth years are, 1836 and 1838. The latter is the same as the Mary Ann Bignell purported to be part of the family, the subject of this article.

 On the whole, in the absence of any confirming information, I think that the Mary Ann Bignall in the Winchester record is probably the source of the confusion, and is not part of this family.

I will leave the notes here for others to read or challenge, but annotate the tab with an "X" at each end of her name.

 

Mary Ann Bignell daughter of William Bignell and Amelia Gillingham.

Based on the confusion I have decided to create part of this branch, albeit as an unattached branch, within Ancestry. Hopefully this will also reduce the number of erroneous hints I receive within Ancestry for the subject of this article. I will refer to this William Bignell with the suffix (city)

Although the 1841 Census does not state who is William Bignell's wife, it seems to be Amelia Gillingham. Note should also be made that the next line on the 1841 Census, (below the above image, not shown here.) is a Mary Newlyn, of either 30 or 80 years of age. William Bignell's (city) mother is thought to be Sarah Bignell nee Newlyn, and his father James Bignell.

 To add to the confusion, below is an extract of the Hampshire Allegations for Marriage Licences, 1689-1837. Now, this list is only Licences so presumably, it excludes marriage by Banns.

 There are two entries for Bignell's of Itchen Abbas, one;

• Jonathan Bignell of Itchen-Abbas, aged 23, a batchelor, and Joan Wickham, of New Alresford, aged 25, a spinster, licenced to marry at Weeke, St Maurice, or St Thomas, 15 June 1690.
• William Bignell of Itchen-Abbas, aged 21, a batchelor, and Eliza Gillingham, of St John, Winchester, aged 20, a spinster, with Consent of her father James Gillingham, licenced to marry at I. A., 19 June 1835. Aff.

At least we can ignore the first entry for this purpose as at 1690, it is out of our date range.

William Bignell of Itchen Abbas (IA), who married Eliza Gillingham in 1835, as bachelor and spinster, with Eliza's father being James. Are Eliza and Amelia the same person, or perhaps sisters. Undecided at the moment.

 

By the 1871 Census the family had moved to Leeds Street, Sandown on the Isle of Wight, William Bignell (city) had a recorded profession of 'Income mainly from houses'. Still a wealthy family. Which is again confirmed by the Probate record of Amelia Gillingham Bignell.

There is also record of a William Bignell married to a Amelia Gillingham in 1st Q 1841 Portsea Island, Hampshire, England. Perhaps relevant, but why in Portsmouth?

 I think that the above fairly conclusively separates the two families, or perhaps three. Need to get back to William Bignall of Bishop's Sutton now.

 

Stephen Bignell

1841–1887

 

 

Stephen Bignell
BIRTH April 1841 • Bishops Sutton, Hampshire, England
DEATH January 1887 • Alresford, Hampshire, England

2nd great-grandfather

Ancestry Synopsis at start.

When Stephen Bignell was born in April 1841 in Bishops Sutton, Hampshire, his father, William, was 25 and his mother, Mary, was 20. He married Elizabeth Ann Russell on 22 January 1863 in his hometown. They had 11 children in 23 years. He died in January 1887 in Alresford at the age of 45, and was buried in Bishops Sutton, Hampshire.

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 Introduction - Explanation 

Discovery

I have decided to split the information about this person into two main sections. The first is discovery. Generally the first discovery is from Ancestry Trees and Hints. For the avoidance of repetition, I will not repeat that in the Discovery section for each person. Sometimes the lead maybe from MyHeritage, or other similar genealogy sites. Where that is the case, I will state so. Another lead could be DNA, including Ancestry's ThroughLines, again to be stated.

However, the main point of the discovery section is to create something of a story for the person and his or her life. A  brief synopsis, sometimes over and above that created by Ancestry's AI.

Data Sheet

The next part is the Data Sheet. Designed to be the collection of all the records, and information found about the person. It can include records already shown in the Discovery Section, for completeness of the Data Sheet. However, although the template is structured for lots of possible information, I am sure that there will be times when there will be many gaps, which will be left so, just in case more information comes to light at a later time.

Structure

The structure of the family website is multifaceted. It depends of where you come into the site as to how transparent this is. The most simple page is that of a single person. More complicated is a single family, where there is a father and the articles within for associated people such as wife and children. The next level is multi-generation built around a hub, Articles within articles, generation after generation. With time it slowly grows. Each person within the growing mass, has a single focused article with a similar structure. This method, I think, gives structure to the reader, and to me.

This itself is a snippet which is frequently repeated, and not therefore specific.

 

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No record yet found

Harry Bignell

1843–1914

 

 

Charlotte Bignell

1844–1908

 

 

No record yet found

Sarah Ann Bignell

1846–1926

Thomas Bignall

1846–

 

No record yet found

No record yet found

Mary Ann Bignell

1849–

 

 

No record yet found

No record yet found

Dorcas Bignall

1852–1853

 

 

No record yet found

Olive Bignell

1854–

 

 

No record yet found

Ellen Bignell

1856–

 

 

No record yet found

No record yet found

No record yet found

No record yet found

No record yet found

Work in the 1851 Census was recorded as Labourer.

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Bishop's Sutton, near Alresford, Hampshire, England

New Alresford is less than 1 ¹/₂ miles away from Bishop's Sutton. Old Alresford is on the Northern edge of of the above map, and Upton Park is further North, just off the map.

New Alresford was founded in the 12th/13th century, so isn't quite new any more.

Bishop's Sutton is located within the hundred of Bishop's Sutton.

Google Maps showing New Alresford, Bishops Sutton, Old Alresford, and Upton Park, containing Upton House.

Northside Farm, Bishop's Sutton, Hampshire

I wonder if North Side later became North Street? No, there are entries in the records for both. North Side is probably Northside Farm on Northside Lane.

 

A move away from the OS 25" Maps to show the relative position of Northside Farm to Bishop's Sutton and New Alresford. Also, using information on the 1861 Census, which starts at Rampscombe (Farm), [now Ranscombe Farm], circled in red, moves on to a number of properties in the Sutton Wood area, circled in green, before arriving at William Bignell and his family at Northside, circled in blue.

 

 Google Maps image of Northside Ln, Bishop's Sutton, Alresford SO24 9SR. Some of the old farm buildings in the background may go back as far as 1861, but I doubt it. I am confident that the farm house is not the original dwelling.

Information from The Genealogist

From the Tithe Apportionment and Map

•  Landowner; Henry Campbell Esquires & John Wyndham Esquires
• Occupier; Robert Minchin
• Parish; Bishop's Sutton
• County; Hampshire
• Original Date; 31st December 1847
• Description of Land; Cottage Garden Yard Barn &C
• Quantities In Statute Measure; 0,1,25
• Plot 121

 For me, and I hope this works for you, roll your mouse over the Tithe Map image above, and it will show an OS Map overlay, with Northside Farm in the same place as Plot 121.

Robert Minchin is described as the occupier in the Tithe Apportionment, but that would be first layer occupier, There could be a number of sub-lets before it gets to William Bignell, who was the physical occupier on the day of the 1851 Census, which is relatively close to the 1847 date of the Tithe Apportionment.

From the summary of the Tithe Apportionment for Bishop's Sutton, Robert Minchin is the primary occupier of a lot more than Plot 121, Northside Farm, he was farming 875a 2r 28p, in respect of the Landowner, John Henry Campbell Wyndham Esquire.

From the 1861 Census, image in Stephen Bignell's section. 

The head of the family at Sutton Farm is George Judd, Male, age 46, estimated year of birth 1815 and place of birth Winterslow, Wiltshire, England. He is a farmer of 875 acres, employing 8 men and 3 boys.

Presumably, George Judd is either the next level down in terms of renting from the landowner, or the progress of time from 1847 to 1861, a period of 14 years. which would have made George Judd 32 years of age at the time of the Tithe Apportionment.

However, this does not resolve the whereabouts of Sutton Farm, which is the next property after Northside Farm according to the 1861 Census. Could Sutton Farm be the same as Sutton Manor Farm?

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In search of Sutton Farm, as recorded in the 1861 Census of Bishop's Sutton

Sutton Manor Farm is outlined in the Hampshire CC document. That place was at one time called Church Farm on the old OS 25" Map.  I think that rules out the Sutton Farm mentioned in the 1861 Census being the same place as the Sutton Manor Farm of 2017.

From the Tithe Apportionment and Map Sutton Manor Farm / Church Farm was Plot 336.

• Landowner; Charles Pain Esquire
• Occupier; Charles Pain Esquire
• Parish; Bishop's Sutton
• County; Hampshire
• Original Date; 31st December 1847
• Description of Land; The Homestead
• Quantities In Statute Measure; 1,2,14
• Plot; 336

This plot has a different Landowner and Occupier, and Charles Pain has 592a 0r 24p according to the Tithe Apportionment Summary, not the 875 acres of Sutton Farm.

I think a definitive location of Sutton Farm will elude us for some time yet.

However, the extent of Robert Minchin's landholings, as occupier are shown on the green wash part of the Tithe Map of Bishop's Sutton below.

The blue circle is Northside Farm where William Bignell lived. The red circle is the Homestead, plot 217. This is what 875 acres looks like. Nearly a quarter of the acreage of the Parish.

• Landowner Henry Campbell Esquires & John Wyndham Esquires
• Occupier Robert Minchin
• Parish Bishop's Sutton
• County Hampshire
• Original Date 31st December 1847
• Description of Land The Homestead
• Quantities In Statute Measure 1,3,0
• Plot 217

Plot 217 is a possible place for Sutton Farm. It is on the farmland associated with both this and Northside Farm. There is a walking route for the Census Enumerator, were this is plausibly the next property following Northside Farm. It is large enough to farm 875 acres. It is the only other large farm in the green area.

On the old OS 25" map it is called Manor Farm. The farm is still operating at time of writing, and the Manor Farm House is listed. Historic England.

 I think that will do for Sutton Farm as mentioned in the 1861 Census, unless I find more definitive information.

 

 

 

Key Dates

 

 

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Dates

Name	Birth	Baptism	Marriage	Death	Interval between children	Mothers age at birth
Elizabeth Eldridge		23rd July 1826	19th August 1849			(Marriage 25 y, 1 m, 29 d)
James Hone			19th August 1849
Elizabeth Hone	25th August 1850	24th November 1850			(Marriage 2 y, 7 m, 28 d)	27 years, 9 months, 26 days
					1 year, 1 month, 7 days	28 years, 11 months, 1 day

 

 

 

Key Data Sources / Evidence

 

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Data Sources / Evidence

		Baptism		Census
Name	Birth	Record	Parish Image	1841	1851	1861	1871	1881	1891	1901	1911	Death
Elizabeth Eldridge	X				25		45	53					Charwoman
James Hone	X				25		45	55	--	--	--		Carman
Elizabeth Hone	X	X	X	--	7 m		--	^^	^^
				--	--								Greengrocer assistant, Dock labourer
				--	--								Farrier, Fish Monger
				--	--								Seaman, Dock labourer
				--	--								Charwoman
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Places of Interest

 

List of known places of interest for Elizabeth Hone nee Eldridge 

Place	Event	Date	Note
	Birth
	Baptism
.	Census 1841
Christ Church With St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex	Marriage
	Marriage
	Baptism of
	Census 1851
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Census 1861
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of	13th February 1870
	Census 1871
	Census 1881
	Census 1891
	Death

 

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