Joseph Hurst of Carter's Clay

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Joseph Hurst of Carter's Clay, Lockerley, Hampshire.

BIRTH 27 FEB 1803 • Whiteparish, Wiltshire, England
DEATH Unknown

Starting Ancestry Synopsis;

When Joseph Hurst was born on 27 February 1803 in Whiteparish, Wiltshire, his father, Henry, was 32 and his mother, Anne, was 17. He married Charlotte Lucas on 23 July 1833 in Lockerley, Hampshire. He had two brothers. No known children.

This article will attempt to add some clarity.

Introduction - Explanation

Discovery

I have decided to split the information about this person into two main sections. The first is discovery. Generally the first discovery is from Ancestry Trees and Hints. For the avoidance of repetition, I will not repeat that in the Discovery section for each person. Sometimes the lead maybe from MyHeritage, or other similar genealogy sites. Where that is the case, I will state so. Another lead could be DNA, including Ancestry's ThroughLines, again to be stated.

However, the main point of the discovery section is to create something of a story for the person and his or her life. A brief synopsis, sometimes over and above that created by Ancestry's AI.

Data Sheet

The next part is the Data Sheet. Designed to be the collection of all the records, and information found about the person. It can include records already shown in the Discovery Section, for completeness of the Data Sheet. However, although the template is structured for lots of possible information, I am sure that there will be times when there will be many gaps, which will be left so, just in case more information comes to light at a later time.

Structure

The structure of the family website is multifaceted. It depends of where you come into the site as to how transparent this is. The most simple page is that of a single person. More complicated is a single family, where there is a father and the articles within for associated people such as wife and children. The next level is multi-generation built around a hub, Articles within articles, generation after generation. With time it slowly grows. Each person within the growing mass, has a single focused article with a similar structure. This method, I think, gives structure to the reader, and to me.

This itself is a snippet which is frequently repeated, and not therefore specific.

Discovery

This discovery starts with his entry on my Family Tree in Ancestry.

Having explored Abraham Hurst the innkeeper from Andover in should be easier to limit cross information. The two families are in close proximity.

Also explored Abraham Hurst of Broughton, and his wife Catherine Hurst nee ????, together with Richard Emmet and his wife Elizabeth Emmet nee Hurst.

The next one was Abraham and Sarah Hurst of Broughton, a separate family to that of Abraham and Catherine Hurst

This one is following the discovery of a marriage record for an Abraham Hurst of Lockerly [Lockerley] and Sarah Brown, of Broughton.

Records of Anglican baptism. The system of registration was established in 1538 by Thomas Cromwell, Lord Privy Seal to Henry VIII and Chief Secretary to the King. From this date, clergy were given the responsibility of registering baptisms, marriages and burials in a book secured in the parish chest. In 1598 an order was issued for all entries to be entered on parchment and all previous entries to be copied from paper onto parchment. Therefore any pre-1598 registers are probably not the original. Some parchment registers were started from the accession to the Crown of Elizabeth I in 1558.

Looking in those Parish Registers first, starting with Broughton.

I did a page turn of the Marriage Register images looking for any entries with the surname Hurst, together with other familiar names, aided by the HGS Baptism Index shown below. This is part of the process of trying to establish another Abraham Hurst's family. By seeing families in the Baptism Register can help eliminate alternative options for residents in Broughton, Hampshire, of the Church of England. Obliviously this method excludes families without children. It also does not take into account other variables such as change of location.

The start of this journey is the marriage of Abraham Hurst and Sarah Brown in the pariah of Broughton on 16 Jul 1781. Finding the Marriage record then led to the Banns record.

Banns of Marriage between Abraham Hurst of Lockerly & Sarah Brown of this Parias [Broughton] ... 10^th of June 1781, 17^th of June 1781, 24^th of June 1781, by A Gatehouse.

No 54 Abraham Hurst of the Parish of Lockerly and Sarah Brown of this parish [Broughton] Married in this Church by Banns this sixteenth Day of July in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and eighty one By me A Gatehouse Curate

This Marriage was solemnized between Us The mark of --- Abraham Hurst // Sarah Brown

In the Presence of Jos^e Bowon & Elizabeth Botton Mark X

Transcriptions in sage green.

The above marriage led to searching parish records for Hurst in the Parish of Lockerley, to try to establish any family in the area, as the above groom was Abraham Hurst of Lockerley, Hampshire.

I found a marriage record.

Marriage record for the Parish of Lockerley, Hampshire

Joseph Hurst of this Parish [Lockerley] Bachelor and Charlotte Lucas of this Parish [Lockerley] were married in this Church by Banns with the Consent of this twenty third Day of July in the Year One thousand eight hundred and thirty three,

By me William P Hutton Curate

This Marriage was solemnized between us X the Mark of Joseph Hurst and X the Mark of Charlotte Lucas

In the Presence of X the Mark of Henry ???? and X the Mark of Lucy ????.

Initially I added Joseph as a son of Abraham Hurst and Sarah Hurst nee Brown.

However, it became apparent that this was unlikely to be the case, so I disconnected them.

Searching the Tithe Apportionment for the Parish of Lockerley revealed a single Hurst in either Landowner or Occupier. It was Joseph Hurst, the occupier of Plot 327. Comparing maps shows this plot to be The Cottage, Carter's Clay Road, Carter's Clay, Newtown, in the Parish of Lockerley, Hampshire.

The Map was dated 1840 and the Apportionment record 18th June 1840.

Further records showed that Joseph Hurst already existed in my tree with a lot more information already found.

I will use that information to complete the data sheet below and go back to the top to fill in the missing data.

BELOW IS CURRENTLY A COPY OF ABRAHAM AND SARAH HURST OF BROUGHTON. IT WILL NEED UPDATING TO LOCKERLEY

Broughton Parish Church

Baptisms, Marriages, Burials Register of Broughton Parish Church 1704 to 1770

Broughton Register No 2 is for Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials between 1704 and 1777.

Broughton Baptisms 1704 and 1777 A

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ATTRIBUTED TO ABRAHAM HURST AND SARAH PRAGNELL OF BROUGHTON

Baptisms in this Register

Baptised at Broughton Parish Church

Looking through the register there are a lot of babies privately baptised because they are weak or sick who are taken into the "Congregation of Xt's Flock", "Congregation of Christ's Flock", or "buried on", all in the same entry.

There are a number of recognisable family names within the early pages, which may or maynot be related, but it is not until 1751 that I came across a Hurst. That was the marriage of Richard Emmet and Elizabeth Hurst on 7th September 1751. On 27th October of the same year Richard, the son of Richard & Eliz Emmet was baptised. I think she might have been showing when she walked down the isle. These seem to be small communities where at least the vicar knows every bodies business, an I suspect a good few more people as well.

There are two Abraham Hurst entries in this Register, but only the first is his baptism.

Baptised at Broughton Parish Church:

Nov^y 6^th [1756] Abraham the Son of Abm [Abraham] & Catherine Hearst [Hurst] privately Bap^d [Baptised]

Three years later, Abraham Hurst has survived any initial difficulties and is confirmed into the Congregation of Broughton Parish Church

Baptised at Broughton Parish Church;

Abraham Son of Abraham & Catherine Hearst received into the congregation and Elizabeth daughter of the said Abraham & Cathering Hearst publicly baptised July 1^st [1759].

Abraham previously privately baptised November 6^th 1756.

Could this be the same Abraham Hurst who married Sarah Pragnell in Houghton.

Oct^br 16^th [1780] Abraham Hurst, of the Parish of Broughton, and Sarah Pragnell of this Parish [Married by Banns]

From: Saturday, 6 November 1756, to: Monday, 16 October 1780, is 23 years, 11 months, 10 days excluding the end date. This is not necessarily his age, as the start date is his baptism, but it is unlikely to be far off his age. It is not an unreasonable age to get married. Generation and location don't suggest that this is not the person who married Sarah Pragnell.

In 1780, the minimum legal age for marriage was 12 years for women and 14 years for men. It was also possible for the couple to get engaged at the age of 7, with the right to break off the engagement on reaching the minimum age of consent. However, early marriages were rather rare, and the average age of the newlyweds was about 25 years.

An extract from a Royal Historical Society article.

Back to the pages of the Register

Baptised at Broughton Parish Church;

June 30 [1782] Abraham Son of Abraham & Sarah Hurst was bap^td

Baptised at Broughton Parish Church;

Oct 3 [1784] Catherine Dau^t of Abraham & Sarah Hurst

Baptised at Broughton Parish Church;

June 9th [1786] Philip son of Abraham & Sarah Hurst priv bapt^d

Philip was privately baptised on Friday, 9 June 1786. Not waiting until Sunday. He may have been born small, week, or poorly.

Baptised at Broughton Parish Church;

May 11 [1788] Elizabeth dau^r of Abra^m. & Sarah Hurst

Baptised at Broughton Parish Church;

Aug 2^d [1790] Blandina dau^r of Abra^m & Sarah Hurst pri bapt

Blandina daughter of Abraham & Sarah Hurst privately baptised, on Monday, 2 August 1790. She may have been born small, week, or poorly, but appears to have recovered quickly.

A few lines below, highlight light green.

Sep 26 [1790] Blandina d^r of Abr^m & Sarah Hurst rec^d into Congⁿ

This is not another baptism.

Blandina daughter of Abraham & Sarah Hurst received into the Congregation.

Baptised at Broughton Parish Church;

Dec 2^d [1792] Richard Son of Abraham & Sarah Hurst priv bapt.

On the very next line, on the 30^th December Richard was received into the Congregation.

Baptised at Broughton Parish Church;

29 June [1794] Isaac Son of Abraham & Sarah Hurst

Baptised at Broughton Parish Church;

July 17^th [1796] Tabatha Dorcas Daughter of Abraham & Sarah Hurst

Broughton Marriages 1704 and 1777 C

Broughton Marriages 1704 and 1777 D

Broughton Burials 1704 and 1777 E

Broughton Burials 1704 and 1777 F

Broughton Register 1768-70 and 1812

Broughton Baptisms 1770 and 1812 G

Broughton Baptisms 1770 and 1812 H

Broughton Marriages 1770 and 1812 I

Broughton Marriages 1770 and 1812 J

Broughton Burials 1768 and 1812 K

Broughton Burials 1768 and 1812 L

Houghton Parish Church

Registers in the Parish of Houghton

Houghton Register Book beginning in the year of our Lord 1714 and ending in 1738.

The search of the Houghton Register is for both the surnames of Hurst and Emmet.

Unfortunately, the first pass of reading this register, which I admit was difficult in parts, revealed no entries in Baptisms, Marriages, or Burials with the surnames of Hurst or Emmet.

I would note that within this registry, burials started to be annotated with the affidavit about being buried in wool.

The Burying in Woollen Acts

The Register of the Parish of the Church of Thorncombe.

One example of many.

The first, well actually the second page of the register is headed;

A Register of those that have been buried in Woollen according to ?? ??? Act of Parliament Thorncombe 1680.

The primary thing to note here is that the book is indeed in relation to Thorncombe and that there is no reference to it being any other form of church, so presumably the Established Church.

The other thing of particular interest was the 'buried in Woollen according to Act of Parliament.' I had not come across this before so had to look it up. Wikipedia quickly provided an answer.

The Burying in Woollen Acts 1666–80 were Acts of the Parliament of England (Cha. II c. 4 (1666), Cha. II c. 3 (1678) and Cha. II c. 1 (1680) ) which required the dead, except plague victims and the destitute, to be buried in pure English woollen shrouds to the exclusion of any foreign textiles.

Enforcement
It was a requirement that an affidavit be sworn in front of a Justice of the Peace (usually by a relative of the deceased), confirming burial in wool, with the punishment of a £5 fee for noncompliance. Burial entries in parish registers were marked with the word "affidavit" or its equivalent to confirm that affidavit had been sworn; it would be marked "naked" for those too poor to afford the woollen shroud.

The legislation was in force until 1814, but was generally ignored after 1770. The 1666 Act was repealed by the Statute Law Revision Act 1863.

The next interesting title page was at the beginning of the baptisms. It was a very smudged copy so I have tried to clean it up a little, without losing any of the original writing, however it is still difficult to decipher in the whole.

However, again it confirms that the book pertains to Thorncombe and seems to commence in 1663.

'A time to be born and a time to die' is one of the lines on the page.

It is difficult to make things out on the page, but it is nearly 4 centuries old. The Mayflower sailed to America in 1620 and the monarchy had been restored in 1660 with Charles II on the throne.

Turning to the next page of the scan, there are baptisms records, in Latin commencing in 15?? followed by 1552.

Moving on to the next Register Book for the Parish of Houghton

Houghton Register

For Marriages, Christenings, & Burials, beginning Oct 23^d 1738.

Just about to stop for the night, and look what I found.

Married at Houghton Parish Church;

Oct^br 16^th [1780] Abraham Hurst, of the Parish of Broughton, and Sarah Pragnell of this Parish [Married by Banns]

Not only is it a Hurst, but I recognize the names from my Family Tree, with DNA matches via them. Also, could this be the same Abraham Hurst, in the brought forward transcription below.

Nov^y 6^th [1756] Abraham the Son of Abm [Abraham] & Catherine Hearst [Hurst] privately Bap^d [Baptised]

This Abraham Hearst [Hurst] was probably poorly at birth as he was privately Baptised and it was on a Saturday, so probably not long after his birth.

The interval between his baptism and his weeding, if it is the same person is 23 years, 11 months. This is not inconceivable.

Also above, in the burials in the Parish of Broughton;

Feb 3 [1799] Abraham, son of Abraham Hurst buried.

If Abraham the son is the same person as baptised on 6th Nov 1756, his age would be about 42 years, 3 months Perhaps unusual to have your father mentioned at your burial, when you are so much an adult.

An alternative interpretation is that Abraham the father is the same person as baptised on 6th Nov 1756, his age would be about 42 years, 3 months Time to look for some more baptisms.

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The 26th year of the Reign of King George II was 1753. An Act for the better Preventing of Clandestine Marriages led to the publication of proforma Register books such as this one, dated 1774.

The book was bought on Apr: 6^th 1754. R Hinckesman Rector -- Will Holmes and John Munday, Church Wardens -- Price 8s - 0.

In 2021, the relative value of £0 8s 0d from 1754 ranges from £64.57 to £8,979.00. Even the previous parchment books might have cost less than that. Not surprising they continued with the old way, possibly hoping that this new way would die a death

The first entry in the Parish of Houghton was 1755. Apparently they continued with the old Parish registers as well, as evidenced above with an entry for 1780, together with the new format below.

Time to look for some more baptisms.

HSG Registers

Locherley Parish Church

Parish Church

Hopefully more will link them in the Data Sheet below.

Now I need to start filling in the data sheet below.

Data Sheet

Records, data, and general information about Abraham Hurst and his family

Baptism

Marriage

Marriage of Abraham Hurst and First Wife

Married on ?? -- Before 1754

Potential First Wife

From FamilySearch

Name Abraham Hurst
Sex Male
Spouse's Name Rebeckah Thredgold
Spouse's Sex Female
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 30 Oct 1744
Event Place Andover, Hampshire, England

An extract from the Andover Register of Burials.

March 1^st [1752] Rebeckah Hurst was buried. [In Andover]

Back to the registry entries.

Second Marriage

Marriage of Abraham Hurst and Martha May

Entry in the Register of Marriages for the Parish of Andover.

Abraham Hurst of this Parish Widower and Martha May of this Parish Spinster were Married in this Church by Licence this Eleventh Day of August in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Fifty Four by me George Darling Curate.

This Marriage was solemnized between Us Abraham Hurst Martha X May Mark of

In the Presence of John Long Joseph Godden.

Census and Voting Registers

UK Census dates from 1911Census.org;

1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841
1851 Census Sunday 30th March 1851
1861 Census Sunday 7th April 1861
1871 Census Sunday 2nd April 1871
1881 Census Sunday 3rd April 1881
1891 Census Sunday 5th April 1891
1901 Census Sunday 31st March 1901
1911 Census Sunday 2nd April 1911

1841

1841 Census Sunday 6th June 1841

After his death.

1851

1861

1871

1881

1891

1901

1911

Children

Parish Church of Andover Register of Baptisms commencing 1746

The title page of the Parish Church of Andover Register of Baptisms,

A Register of Baptisms at the Parish Church of Andover in the County of Southampton [Hampshire] from March the Eleventh, in the year of our Lord 1746.

From here I did a page turn of the Register images looking for any entries with the surname Hurst. This is part of the process of trying to establish Abraham Hurst's family. By seeing families in the Baptism Register can help eliminate alternative options for residents in Andover, Hampshire, of the Church of England. Obliviously this method excludes families without children, but we know Abraham Hurst had children because of his will. It also does not take into account other variables such as change of location.

Sept^r 7^th [1748] Abraham Son of Abraham & Rebeckah Hurst was Baptised.

Could this be a child with his first wife?

Dec 11^th [1749] Sarah Daughter of Roger & Sarah Hurst.

I believe this is another Hurst family living in the Andover area concurrently with Abraham Hurst, and his family.

Jan^y 23^rd [1750] Elizabeth Daughter of Roger and Sarah Hurst.

April 24 [1753] Roger Son of Roger and Sarah Hurst.

30^th June [1755] Martha and Mary Daughters of Roger & Sarah Hurst

April 24 [1757] Roger Son of Roger and Sarah Hurst.

Presumably, The Roger baptised on the same day in 1753 had died before 1757.

May 18 [1761] Mary Daughter of Mary Waters -- The Reputed father Richard Hurst.

Earlier in the Register, an entry such as this would have been annotated, "a Bastard" or less frequently "Base Born".

Richard Hurst is a new name to this article. Richard is probably from the Parish as some entries have the addition of "Stranger".

Jan^y 7 [1765] Rich^d Son of Jo^s & Mary Hurst., which I interpret as Richard Son of Joseph & Mary Hurst. Another new family.

I have turned all the pages of this Andover Parish Register up to 1770, and the above, together with the ones allocated to children below, are the only entries with a surname Hurst. This has only been one pass so I might have missed a Hurst entry. However, the person named Elizabeth Hurst in the will, is still elusive, so instead of re-scanning this register, I will move to an earlier one.

Parish Church of Andover Register of Baptisms commencing 1714

The title page of the Parish Church of Andover Register of Baptisms,

Register of Christening at the parish church of Andover from June the Twenty fourth Anno Dom 1714

I consider 1714 to be outside the probable range for finding the Baptism of Elizabeth Hurst, os in this case it was not a page turn but I used FamilySearch to find a possible date, and then navigated to that year.

Continuing with the hypothesis that Abraham Hurst married Rebeckah Thredgold, that was in 1744, so the probable date of birth for Elizabeth starts from 1745, and ends in 1754 when Abraham married Martha May, as a Widower.

Nov^r 18 [1745] Elizabeth Daughter of Abraham & Rebdiah Hurst.

I think this completes the list of people mentioned in the Will. Two children with Rebeckah Hurst nee Thredgold and one with Martha Hurst nee May. Also, no other Abraham Hurst active in the Register on Baptisms for the Parish of Andover at the relevant time.

xxxxx Hurst nee xxxxx and Abraham Hurst children's Baptism Records.

Scroll left or right along the tabs. There is a tab for each year of child bearing age following their marriage, which helps to indicate years when no children of William and Mary were born, or survived long enough to be baptised, or alternatively, where no record has yet been found.

1743

No record yet found

1744

1745 Elizabeth

1746

1747

1748 Abraham

1749

1750

1751

1752

1753

1754

1755

1756

1757

1758

1759

Martha Hurst nee May and Abraham Hurst children's Baptism Records.

1753

No record yet found

1754

1755

1756 Abraham

1757

1758 Martha

1759

1760

1761

1762 Elizabeth

1763

1764

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1766

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1774

Work and locations

Work

Innkeeper according to his Will

Andover

Broughton and Houghton

Pittleworth, Bossington

Buckholt, Broughton

Death

Burial

From FamilySearch

Name Abraham Hurst
Event Type Burial
Event Date 14 Jun 1777
Event Place Andover, Hampshire, England
Event Place (Original) Andover, Hampshire, England

Parish of Andover Burials Register.

14 June [1777] Abraham Hurst Sen.^r

The date of 14 June 1777 is consistent with the date of writing his Will an with the proving of it.

Conclusion

Key data about Abraham Hurst and his family.

Dates

Key Dates

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Dates
Name	Birth	Baptism	Marriage	Death	Interval between children	Mothers age at birth
Elizabeth Eldridge		23^rd July 1826	19^th August 1849			(Marriage 25 y, 1 m, 29 d)
James Hone			19^th August 1849
Elizabeth Hone	25^th August 1850	24^th November 1850			(Marriage 2 y, 7 m, 28 d)	27 years, 9 months, 26 days
					1 year, 1 month, 7 days	28 years, 11 months, 1 day

Data Sources / Evidence

Key Data Sources / Evidence

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Data Sources / Evidence
		Baptism		Census
Name	Birth	Record	Parish Image	1841	1851	1861	1871	1881	1891	1901	1911	Death
Elizabeth Eldridge	X												Charwoman
James Hone	X								--	--	--		Carman
Elizabeth Hone	X	X	X	--			--
				--	--								Greengrocer assistant, Dock labourer
				--	--								Farrier, Fish Monger
				--	--								Seaman, Dock labourer
				--	--								Charwoman
				--	--
				--	--
				--	--

Places of Interest

List of known places of interest for Elizabeth Hone nee Eldridge
Place	Event	Date	Note
	Birth
	Baptism
.	Census 1841
Christ Church With St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex	Marriage
	Marriage
	Baptism of
	Census 1851
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Census 1861
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of	13^th February 1870
	Census 1871
	Census 1881
	Census 1891
	Death

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Joseph Hurst of Carter's Clay