Bignell families

Charlotte Bignell b. 1844

Super User Bignell families 24 October 2023

Charlotte Bignell

Charlotte Bignell

BIRTH 1844 • Bishops Sutton, Alresford, Hampshire, England

DEATH 1908 • Fulham, Middlesex, England

Discovery

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One of the Ancestry hints for Charlotte is for the tree of Deanna Hawke. According to Ancestry Deanna and I are not a DNA match. However, Deanna has included a number of GEDmatch person codes. On the first run at 7cm I don't get a match with XJ2353795 - Betty Bignell, however, if I change 7cm to 3cm I get the following match;

Largest segment = 5.7 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 44cM (1.227 Pct)
12 shared segments found for this comparison.
430320 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.353 Pct SNPs are full identical

For MG4841725 - Deanna Hawke, also set to 3cm, but with no match at 7cm;

Largest segment = 4.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 27.7cM (0.774 Pct)
8 shared segments found for this comparison.
430323 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.31 Pct SNPs are full identical

For FM7300581 - Peter Hawke, also set to 3cm;

Largest segment = 5.5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 47.7cM (1.329 Pct)
13 shared segments found for this comparison.
420850 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.449 Pct SNPs are full identical

For T643327 - Gail Tyler, also set to 3cm;

Largest segment = 5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 51.1cM (1.426 Pct)
14 shared segments found for this comparison.
417591 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.404 Pct SNPs are full identical

For XN2590913 - Julie W, also set to 3cm;

Largest segment = 4.7 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 43.1cM (1.201 Pct)
12 shared segments found for this comparison.
419508 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.344 Pct SNPs are full identical

For LJ2029152 - Kyle Hek, also set to 3cm;

Largest segment = 4.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 42.5cM (1.185 Pct)
12 shared segments found for this comparison.
524510 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.775 Pct SNPs are full identical

For TZ1642588 - Paul Braybrooke, also set to 3cm;

Largest segment = 4.7 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 21.4cM (0.597 Pct)
6 shared segments found for this comparison.
524889 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.843 Pct SNPs are full identical

That is a full match for the GEDmatch codes that Deanna provided, albeit at between 4-5cm, which adds to the veracity of the people in the trees being related. However, as it is less than 7cm it cannot be interpreted as a DNA match.

This is something of an aside, an addition to the paper trail starting down the Charlotte Bignell branch.

Charlotte's first marriage.

James Booth

BIRTH ABT 1865 • Hampshire, England

DEATH Unknown

Discovery

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James Booth married Charlotte Bignell on 09 Apr 1866 at Alverstoke, Hampshire, England.

Together they had a daughter, Helen Julia Booth, shortly after moving to Gosport, who was baptised on 1 Dec 1867 Bishops Sutton, Hampshire, England. I think Bishops Sutton had been their residence prior to moving to Gosport, where James became a Marine or Mariner, depending on how you read the Christening record. Helen was born 15 months after her parents married, and baptised 4 months, 21 days after birth.

The record is from the Parish of Bishop's Sutton, which was the original entry for place of Abode, before being changed to Gosport.

Also of interest is that the surname Booth appears to be overwritten on Bignell. I think that is just an error, and not an indication of illegitimate birth. The two records beneath this one are clearly inscribed

'illegitimate son of' followed by the mother's name.

Helen Julia Booth grew up and in 1900 got married.

On 22nd November 1900, at St. John's Church Paddington, London Arthur James Clarke, aged 29, a bachelor of 1 Myddleton Square Clerkenwell, Middlesex, (London), an Insurance Agent by profession, married.

Ellen Julia Booth, aged 33, a spinster, of 3 Hyde Park Place, Westminster. Their fathers were William Henry Clarke, a Coachman, and James Booth, a Royal Marine.

It seems that Helen has become known as Ellen, and not just a vicar's transcription error, as she signed her own name.

The church was known as Saint John The Evangelist, Paddington: Hyde Park Crescent, Westminster, England.

Number 3 Hyde Park Place is the property behind the lamppost.

OS Map 25" with the marker on 3 Hyde Park Place

From both the Baptism and Marriage records of his daughter Helen, James Booth's occupation was as a Royal Marine, at least between 1867 and 1900. A period of at least 33 years. However, so far I have not found any records regarding his military career. I have searched a number of sites including Royal Marines Historical, and the National Archives.

Data Sheet

Ancestry Synopsis at start.

William Bignell was born in 1816 in Bishops Sutton, Hampshire. He married Mary Ann Butcher on 23 January 1841 in his hometown. They had ten children in 18 years. He died in January 1885 in Alresford at the age of 69.

Baptism

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Census and Voting Registers

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Children

Hannah Butcher nee Pitters and Isaac Butcher children's Baptism Records.

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Conclusion

Key data about Elizabeth Eldridge and her family.

Dates

Key Dates

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Dates
Name	Birth	Baptism	Marriage	Death	Interval between children	Mothers age at birth
Elizabeth Eldridge		23^rd July 1826	19^th August 1849			(Marriage 25 y, 1 m, 29 d)
James Hone			19^th August 1849
Elizabeth Hone	25^th August 1850	24^th November 1850			(Marriage 2 y, 7 m, 28 d)	27 years, 9 months, 26 days
					1 year, 1 month, 7 days	28 years, 11 months, 1 day

Data Sources / Evidence

Key Data Sources / Evidence

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Data Sources / Evidence
		Baptism		Census
Name	Birth	Record	Parish Image	1841	1851	1861	1871	1881	1891	1901	1911	Death
Elizabeth Eldridge	X				25		45	53					Charwoman
James Hone	X				25		45	55	--	--	--		Carman
Elizabeth Hone	X	X	X	--	7 m		--	^^	^^
				--	--								Greengrocer assistant, Dock labourer
				--	--								Farrier, Fish Monger
				--	--								Seaman, Dock labourer
				--	--								Charwoman
				--	--
				--	--
				--	--

Places of Interest

List of known places of interest for Elizabeth Hone nee Eldridge
Place	Event	Date	Note
	Birth
	Baptism
.	Census 1841
Christ Church With St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex	Marriage
	Marriage
	Baptism of
	Census 1851
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
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	Baptism of
	Census 1861
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of	13^th February 1870
	Census 1871
	Census 1881
	Census 1891
	Death

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Charlotte's second marriage.

John Page

BIRTH 1838 • Bentworth, Hampshire, England

DEATH 1925 • Wandsworth, London, England

Discovery

Data Sheet

Ancestry Synopsis at start.

Baptism

Marriage

Census and Voting Registers

1841

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1851

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Children

Hannah Butcher nee Pitters and Isaac Butcher children's Baptism Records.

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Conclusion

Key data about Elizabeth Eldridge and her family.

Dates

Key Dates

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Dates
Name	Birth	Baptism	Marriage	Death	Interval between children	Mothers age at birth
Elizabeth Eldridge		23^rd July 1826	19^th August 1849			(Marriage 25 y, 1 m, 29 d)
James Hone			19^th August 1849
Elizabeth Hone	25^th August 1850	24^th November 1850			(Marriage 2 y, 7 m, 28 d)	27 years, 9 months, 26 days
					1 year, 1 month, 7 days	28 years, 11 months, 1 day

Data Sources / Evidence

Key Data Sources / Evidence

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Data Sources / Evidence
		Baptism		Census
Name	Birth	Record	Parish Image	1841	1851	1861	1871	1881	1891	1901	1911	Death
Elizabeth Eldridge	X				25		45	53					Charwoman
James Hone	X				25		45	55	--	--	--		Carman
Elizabeth Hone	X	X	X	--	7 m		--	^^	^^
				--	--								Greengrocer assistant, Dock labourer
				--	--								Farrier, Fish Monger
				--	--								Seaman, Dock labourer
				--	--								Charwoman
				--	--
				--	--
				--	--

Places of Interest

List of known places of interest for Elizabeth Hone nee Eldridge
Place	Event	Date	Note
	Birth
	Baptism
.	Census 1841
Christ Church With St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex	Marriage
	Marriage
	Baptism of
	Census 1851
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Census 1861
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of	13^th February 1870
	Census 1871
	Census 1881
	Census 1891
	Death

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Charlotte's second marriage children.

Edwin Page

BIRTH 7 FEB 1878 • Fulham, London, England

DEATH JUL 1915 • Lambeth, London

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Discovery

Data Sheet

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Ancestry Synopsis at start.

Baptism

Marriage

Census and Voting Registers

1841

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1851

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1871

1881

1891

1901

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Children

Hannah Butcher nee Pitters and Isaac Butcher children's Baptism Records.

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Death

Conclusion

Key data about Elizabeth Eldridge and her family.

Dates

Key Dates

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Dates
Name	Birth	Baptism	Marriage	Death	Interval between children	Mothers age at birth
Elizabeth Eldridge		23^rd July 1826	19^th August 1849			(Marriage 25 y, 1 m, 29 d)
James Hone			19^th August 1849
Elizabeth Hone	25^th August 1850	24^th November 1850			(Marriage 2 y, 7 m, 28 d)	27 years, 9 months, 26 days
					1 year, 1 month, 7 days	28 years, 11 months, 1 day

Data Sources / Evidence

Key Data Sources / Evidence

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Data Sources / Evidence
		Baptism		Census
Name	Birth	Record	Parish Image	1841	1851	1861	1871	1881	1891	1901	1911	Death
Elizabeth Eldridge	X				25		45	53					Charwoman
James Hone	X				25		45	55	--	--	--		Carman
Elizabeth Hone	X	X	X	--	7 m		--	^^	^^
				--	--								Greengrocer assistant, Dock labourer
				--	--								Farrier, Fish Monger
				--	--								Seaman, Dock labourer
				--	--								Charwoman
				--	--
				--	--
				--	--

Places of Interest

List of known places of interest for Elizabeth Hone nee Eldridge
Place	Event	Date	Note
	Birth
	Baptism
.	Census 1841
Christ Church With St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex	Marriage
	Marriage
	Baptism of
	Census 1851
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Census 1861
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of	13^th February 1870
	Census 1871
	Census 1881
	Census 1891
	Death

Tree

Family Tree for xx
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child 1	child 2	child 3	child 4	child 5	child 6	child 7	child 8	child 9	child 10

				next ancestor	or next ancestor

child 1	child 2	child 3	child 4	child 5	child 6	child 7	child 8	child 9	child 10

Data Sheet

Ancestry Synopsis at start.

Baptism

Marriage

Census and Voting Registers

1841

Your text...

1851

1861

1871

1881

1891

1901

1911

Children

Hannah Butcher nee Pitters and Isaac Butcher children's Baptism Records.

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5

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10 Work and locations

Death

Conclusion

Key data about Elizabeth Eldridge and her family.

Dates

Key Dates

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Dates
Name	Birth	Baptism	Marriage	Death	Interval between children	Mothers age at birth
Elizabeth Eldridge		23^rd July 1826	19^th August 1849			(Marriage 25 y, 1 m, 29 d)
James Hone			19^th August 1849
Elizabeth Hone	25^th August 1850	24^th November 1850			(Marriage 2 y, 7 m, 28 d)	27 years, 9 months, 26 days
					1 year, 1 month, 7 days	28 years, 11 months, 1 day

Data Sources / Evidence

Key Data Sources / Evidence

Elizabeth Eldridge Key Data Sources / Evidence
		Baptism		Census
Name	Birth	Record	Parish Image	1841	1851	1861	1871	1881	1891	1901	1911	Death
Elizabeth Eldridge	X				25		45	53					Charwoman
James Hone	X				25		45	55	--	--	--		Carman
Elizabeth Hone	X	X	X	--	7 m		--	^^	^^
				--	--								Greengrocer assistant, Dock labourer
				--	--								Farrier, Fish Monger
				--	--								Seaman, Dock labourer
				--	--								Charwoman
				--	--
				--	--
				--	--

Places of Interest

List of known places of interest for Elizabeth Hone nee Eldridge
Place	Event	Date	Note
	Birth
	Baptism
.	Census 1841
Christ Church With St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex	Marriage
	Marriage
	Baptism of
	Census 1851
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Census 1861
	Baptism of
	Baptism of
	Baptism of	13^th February 1870
	Census 1871
	Census 1881
	Census 1891
	Death

Tree

Family Tree for xx
			his father	his mother	her farther	her mother

				him	her

child 1	child 2	child 3	child 4	child 5	child 6	child 7	child 8	child 9	child 10

				next ancestor	or next ancestor

child 1	child 2	child 3	child 4	child 5	child 6	child 7	child 8	child 9	child 10

Stephen Bignell b. 1841

Super User Bignell families 30 November 2021

Stephen Bignell
BIRTH April 1841 • Bishops Sutton, Hampshire, England
DEATH January 1887 • Alresford, Hampshire, England

2nd great-grandfather

Ancestry Synopsis at start.

When Stephen Bignell was born in April 1841 in Bishops Sutton, Hampshire, his father, William, was 25 and his mother, Mary, was 20. He married Elizabeth Ann Russell on 22 January 1863 in his hometown. They had 11 children in 23 years. He died in January 1887 in Alresford at the age of 45, and was buried in Bishops Sutton, Hampshire.

William Bignell b. 1816

Super User Bignell families 30 November 2021