Welcome to the genealogy part of my website.
It is currently under development and will be subject to ongoing change.
It is intended to include information about my Family Tree, stories about people and places, including histories, together with information about One Name and One Place studies.
100 Generations of family history
A lot of my hobbies fit in with an interest in data collation and classification. Which not surprisingly comes from my personality to a large extent. Building web sites is a combination of art and logical application of data. Even more so with database and content management solutions.
Family trees as a hobby involves a lot of research but also a huge amount of data management. Expand that to include an element of history and the thought process widens to include how the facts of a person fits with the socio-economic circumstance of the time and location.
This website attempts to put some meat on the bones of the family tree databases.
I tend to write as I research or explore someone or something so it is a progressive narrative, sometimes to a conclusion, but not always.
Some of my ancestral surnames, just from the beginning of my Family Tree Pedigree Mode
5 generations of Surnames, starting with Hurst and Pomeroy.
Features or Feature articles are as you may expect, those which I particularly want to bring to your attention, much the same as a magazine might do.
The list of articles attributed as features can change from time to time.
All of the featured articles can also be found in their respective sections.
Some of the articles become quite extensive and can include smaller articles and their own article index or contents.
Research into families or places can become quite complicated and long
The first Pomeroy in the Americas or the Domesday book are examples of significant events in time which deserve to be included in Features irrespective of length.
Pepin the short and The Pope above and
People and Families
People I know and people close in my family tree.
Distant people in time and relationship.
Sometimes with substantial evidence, but conversely sometimes mere speculation.
Royalty, nobles, commoners.
Generally individuals, but also individuals as part of a larger group or family.
In my tree or in search of evidence to exclude them.
From factual to historical, Norse sagas to Roman and Greek myths.
John James Brookman is one of a number of DNA matches.
The John Bowditch article has embedded excel data regarding parish records for Broadwindsor.
Families start with a person and grow from there.
Close in time or into the distant history.
A small family group or part of a dynasty.
The history of an individual manor house or place of historic interest.
The development of a particular parish or location
The One Place studies
An in depth look at a single place, perhaps from the perspective of a single owner, or from a more general historic interest.
A significant Estate such as Broadlands in Romsey
One Place Studies
Such as Millbrook, Hampshire, England or Whitepraish.
Who lived there? The tithe maps, and who owned the land. The census and how people congregated and migrated.
The 'One Place Study' of Whiteparish has an ESRI story map and embedded excel data sheets.
Historic events with links to my Family Tree and epochs of significance
Events and periods
Angevin empire, health with epidemics and pandemics, and turnpike roads.
Battles and uprisings.
Within the Turnpike article there is a link the ESRI Story Map called Turnpikes Around Hampshire. Click the link to go straight there.
Social Economic History
Riots, emigration, migration, change and adaption.
How I first became interested in my Family Tree and everything that goes towards it.
How it has grown as a hobby.
My approach both within this site and the Onsite Family History offerings of Ancestry etc.
My first taste of a Family Tree
How I go about my research, my hobby, including what is included and what is not.
This is simply a page to enter my TNG database website.
The database is powered by The Next Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding (TNG)
Not surprisingly it is the host to a number of family trees, including The improbable Hurst tree.
One Name and One Place Studies
I undertake One Name and One Place studies to augment my Family Tree research.
Index & Help
Search the site based on the tags associated with articles. Browse or search the tags and click to see the associated articles.
Just that, some help about the navigation and content of this website.
A map of the whole site and information on how to navigate it
A collection of some of the most used sources within my Family Trees and this site.
Just to get you started is a name tool for you to investigate.
The data derives from 22 million birth records transcribed by the volunteer UK Local BMD project, and includes 143,259 unique names over 177 years, over seven geographically diverse counties. The chart for each name shows the percentage of all transcribed records in which it appears. Data compiled by Dr Stephen Bush and Professor Tom Freeman of the University of Edinburgh.
The reference above, to
100 Generations of family history
alludes to the following copied from a previous rendition of my Family Tree website
This redirects to another of my sites, which has information about our family tree and some of the notable people and families in the tree. Our family tree is a holistic composition of related trees including all branches and derivations. Our family tree links back past 100 generations, well into BC. All with a trace through the generations. It includes a lot of kings and queens, which is the only reason it was so easy to follow. Below is an example trace. I must however say that most of this tree has not yet been validated.
There are a lot of Coats of Arms, Crests and flags associated with our family tree but none in a direct line.
Ilus or Ilyus King of Troy (1345 - 1282BC)
relationship to Ivan Hurst; 99th great grandfather of wife of 16th great grandfather of wife of 2nd cousin 4x removed of husband of 1st cousin 1x removed
Laomedan King of Troy (1285 - 1237BC)
Son of Ilus or Ilyus King of
Priam Podarces High King of TROY (1250 - 1183BC)
Son of Laomedan King of
Helenus of TROY aka Helenus the TROJAN; King of EPIRUS King of the SCYTHIANS (1210 - 1149BC)
Son of Priam Podarces High King
Genger Zenter the Scythians (1240 - 1149BC)
Son of Helenus of TROY aka Helenus the TROJAN; King of EPIRUS King
Franco Francus TROJAN SCYTHIANS (1220 - 1149BC)
Son of Genger Zenter
Esdron Trojans (1190 - BC)
Son of Franco Francus TROJAN
Gelio Zelius Gelso Zelis the TROJAN (1160 - BC)
Son of Esdron
Bosabiliano Basabelian I King of TROY the TROJAN (1130 - BC)
Son of Gelio Zelius Gelso Zelis
Plaserio Plaserius I King the TROJAN (1130 - BC)
Son of Bosabiliano Basabelian I King of TROY
Plesron King of The Trojan (1100 - 1050BC)
Son of Plaserio Plaserius I King
Eliacor King of the Cimmerians (1085 - BC)
Son of Plesron King of
Gaberiano King of the Cimmerians (1055 - BC)
Son of Eliacor King of the
Plaserius II 'Plaserio' King of the Cimmerians (1025 - 830BC)
Son of Gaberiano King of the
Antenor I the Cimmerians (995 - 1035BC)
Son of Plaserius II 'Plaserio' King of the
Priam II 'Trianus' King of the Cimmerians (950 - 867BC)
Son of Antenor I the
Helenus II the Cimmerians (935 - 800BC)
Son of Priam II 'Trianus' King of the
Plesron II King of the Cimmerians (905 - 807BC)
Son of Helenus II the
BASABELIAN II Trojan King of the Cimmerians (875 - 776BC)
Son of Plesron II King of the
Alexandre King of the Cimmerians a Trojan (845 - 777BC)
Son of BASABELIAN II Trojan King of the
King of the Cimmerians Priamo III (815 - BC)
Son of Alexandre King of the
Getmalor King of the Cimmerians (785 - BC)
Son of King of the Cimmerians Priamo
Almadius King of the Cimmerians (755 - BC)
Son of Getmalor
Deluglius I 'Dilugio' King of the Cimmerians (725 - BC)
Son of Almadius King of the
Helenus III King of the Cimmerians (695 - BC)
Son of Deluglius I 'Dilugio' King of the
Plaserius III 'Plaserio' King of the Cimmerians (655 -BC )
Son of Helenus III King of the
Dilulius II the Cimmerians
Son of Plaserius III 'Plaserio' King of the
Marcomir the Cimmerians
Son of Dilulius II the
Priam IV Cimmerians (585 - 510BC)
Son of Marcomir the
Helenus IV of the Cimmerians (518 - 443BC)
Son of Priam IV
Antenor I Euxim of the Cimmerians (483 - 443BC)
Son of Helenus IV of the
Marcomir of the Cimmerians (460 - 396BC)
Son of Antenor I Euxim of the
Antenor II King of Sicamber (442 - 384BC)
Son of Marcomir
Priam (Priamu Priamus Prenus) King Of The Sicambri (417 - 358BC)
Son of Antenor II King of
Helenus I King of the Sicambri (387 - 339BC)
Son of Priam (Priamu Priamus Prenus)
Diocles King of the Sicambri (360 - 300BC)
Son of Helenus I King of the
Bassanus Magnus King of the Sicambri (339 - 287BC)
Son of Diocles King of the
Clodomir I Son Of Bassanus Sicambri (290 - 232BC)
Son of Bassanus Magnus King of the
Nicanor King of the Sicambri (275 - 198BC)
Son of Clodomir I Son Of Bassanus
Marcomir II King of the Sicambri (296 - 178BC)
Son of Nicanor King of the
Clodius King of the Sicambri (189 - 159BC)
Son of Marcomir II King of the
Antenor lll King of Sicambri (169 - 143BC)
Son of Clodius King of the
Clodomir ll King Of Sicambri (123 - 123BC)
Son of Antenor lll King of
King of Scambri Merodachus Merocadus (123 - 95BC)
Son of Clodomir ll King Of
Cassander King of Sicambri (95 - 74BC)
Son of King of Scambri Merodachus
Antharius Of Sicambri (60 - 37BC)
Son of Cassander King of Sicambri
Son of Antharius Of Sicambri
King of the Franks Clodius II (37 - BC)
Son of King Francus
King of the Franks Marcomir III ( - 50)
Son of King of the Franks Clodius
Clodomir III the Franks ( - 63)
Son of King of the Franks Marcomir
Antenor IV the Franks ( - 69)
Son of Clodomir III the
Ratherius the West Franks ( - 90)
Son of Antenor IV the
RICHEMER I King of the Franks (50 - 114)
Son of Ratherius the West
KING OF WEST FRANKS CLODOMIR - ODOMAR IV (60 - 128)
Son of RICHEMER I King of the
Marcomir IV King of the Salien Franks (128 - 149)
Son of KING OF WEST FRANKS CLODOMIR - ODOMAR
Clodomir IV King of the Franks (104 - 166)
Son of Marcomir IV King of the Salien
King Farabert of the Franks (122 - 186)
Son of Clodomir IV King
Sunno Hunno King of the Salien Franks (137 - 213)
Son of King Farabert of the
King Hilderic King of the West Franks (157 - 253)
Son of Sunno Hunno King of the
Bartherus King of the Franks (190 - 272)
Son of King Hilderic King of the West
King Clodius III Franks (200 - 298)
Son of Bartherus King of the
King Waltherus Walter Franks (215 - 306)
Son of King Clodius III
Dagobert I King Of The Franks (230 - 317)
Son of King Waltherus Walter
Genebald I des FRANCS 1st Duke of the EAST FRANKS (262 - 358)
Son of Dagobert I King Of The
Dagobert II "The Younger" Duke of the East Franks (300 - 378)
Son of Genebald I des FRANCS 1st Duke
Clodius IV Merovigian Duke of the East Franks Duke of the East Franks (324 - 389)
Son of Dagobert II "The Younger"
Marcomir France or Frankish Chief (347 - 404)
Son of Clodius IV Merovigian
Pharamond Of Franks (370 - 427)
Son of Marcomir
Clodius "Long Haired" of the Franks King of Westphalia (395 - 447)
Son of Pharamond Of
Merovech I De Franks (411 - 457)
Son of Clodius "Long Haired" of the Franks
Childeric I Franks (436 - 481)
Son of Merovech I
Clovis I France (465 - 511)
Son of Childeric I
Clothaire I Meroving (497 - 561)
Son of Clovis I
Chilperic I Soissons (523 - 584)
Son of Clothaire I
Clothaire II Meroving (584 - 629)
Son of Chilperic I
Dagobert I Austrasia King (603 - 639)
Son of Clothaire II
Clovis II De Neustria De Burgundy (637 - 665)
Son of Dagobert I
Theuderic Theoderic Theoderich III King of Franks Merovingian (654 - 691)
Son of Clovis II De Neustria De
Childebert III Merovingian 'The Just' King of the Franks (683 - 711)
Son of Theuderic Theoderic Theoderich III King of Franks
Dagobert III Merovingian King of the Franks (699 - 715)
Son of Childebert III
Bertrada De Laon (695 - 719)
Daughter of Dagobert III
Bertrada De Laon Queen of the Franks (720 - 783)
Daughter of Bertrada
Charles Charlemagne , Charles The Great, King of the Franks, Emperor of the West (742 - 814)
Son of Bertrada
Louis I Carolingian , The Pious of Aquitaine, The Fair, King of the Franks, Emperor of the West (778 - 840)
Son of Charles
Duchese Gisle Holy Roman Empire de FRIULI
Daughter of Louis I
Hedwige De Frioul (837 - 903)
Daughter of Duchese Gisle Holy Roman Empire
Otto The Illustrious (851 - 912)
Son of Hedwige
Henry I Fowler
Son of Otto The
Hedwige of Saxony (910 - 965)
Daughter of Henry I
Hugh Capet (940 - 996)
Son of Hedwige of
Robert II the Pious Capet (972 - 1031)
Son of Hugh
Henry I Capet (1008 - 1060)
Son of Robert II the Pious
Hugh Magnus De Crepi (1050 - 1102)
Son of Henry I
Isabel Elizabeth Vermandois (1081 - 1130)
Daughter of Hugh Magnus
Robert De Beaumont II (1104 - 1168)
Son of Isabel Elizabeth
Sir Robert Beaumont (1130 - 1190)
Son of Robert
Margaret de Beaumont (1154 - 1235)
Daughter of Sir Robert
Robert de Quincy (1172 - 1217)
Son of Margaret
Margaret de Quincy (1192 - 1226)
Daughter of Robert
Maude Lacy (1222 - 1287)
Daughter of Margaret
Piers De Geneville 2nd Lord Geneville (1258 - 1292)
Son of Maude
JOAN DE GENEVILLE (1284 - 1356)
Daughter of Piers
Roger De Mortimer 3rd Baron Mortimer, 1st Earl of March (1287 - 1330)
Husband of JOAN
William Alfred Willielmo Mortimer Knight (1330 - 1360)
Son of Roger
Ralph Mortimer Knight (1350 - 1391)
Son of William Alfred Willielmo
William Mortimer Knight (1380 - 1412)
Son of Ralph
William Mortimer Knight (1410 - 1498)
Son of William
John Mortimer Knight (1440 - 1470)
Son of William
John Mortimer Knight (1460 - 1549)
Son of John
John Junior Mortimer Knight (1480 - 1560)
Son of John
John III Mortimer Knight (1500 - 1616)
Son of John Junior
Isaac Mortimer Knight (1520 - )
Son of John III
Walter Mortimer Knight (1540 - 1634)
Son of Isaac
William Mortimer Knight (1560 - 1655)
Son of Walter
Elizabeth Varney Mortimer Knight (1585 - )
Daughter of William
Matthew Dancer (1588 - )
Son of Elizabeth Varney
Joseph Dancer (1610 - 1641)
Son of Matthew
Matthew DANCER (1641 - 1701)
Son of Joseph
Joseph DANCER (1714 - )
Son of Matthew
Silvester Dancer (1763 - 1847)
Son of Joseph
Elizabeth Dancer (1789 - )
Daughter of Silvester
John Weedon (1763 - 1834)
Husband of Elizabeth
Howse Weedon (1737 - )
Father of John
John Weedon (1711 - 1788)
Father of Howse
John Weedon (1682 - )
Father of John
Edward Weedon (1712 - 1785)
Son of John
John Weedon (1754 - 1833)
Son of Edward
Joseph Weedon (1782 - 1839)
Son of John
Sarah Weedon (1810 - )
Daughter of Joseph
Sarah Ann Wintleburyth (1844 - )
Daughter of Sarah
Nellie Coles (1878 - 1946)
Daughter of Sarah Ann
Edwin James Rose (1912 - )
Son of Nellie
Dorothy Elizabeth Maud Lacey (1921 - )
Wife of Edwin James
Ellen Maud Collins (1892 - )
Mother of Dorothy Elizabeth Maud
Edward Nash Collins (1857 - )
Father of Ellen Maud
Catherine Alice Collins (1902 - 1999)
Daughter of Edward Nash
Peggy Alice Mary Pomeroy (1928 - )
Daughter of Catherine Alice
Ivan Guy Hurst
The son of Peggy Alice Mary
Nice as it is to have such a long list of generations, I do know that there are some known problems along the way. The current improbable Hurst tree does not fully follow this route but there remain difficulties including part of the Pomeroy Line, part of the Kings of the Franks, and some of the dates around the burning of Rome as some examples. Of course the further back in time you go, the less real evidence there is to validate the assertion, all the way until it becomes just mere myth.